Open line Saturday

Dare we open the blog to discussion about our national situation today?

Please keep your comments clean and don’t get personal.

Can we discuss the issues without getting partisan?

Let’s try.

We deserve better

Brutus

21 Responses to Open line Saturday

  1. Tom Busch says:

    I was driving home just now and I followed a motor home that had Trump stickers all over it. It had tattered Stars and Stripes flags with trump banners below. The confederate battle flags were in good shape. Any thoughts Brutus? You seem like a reasonable guy.

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    • Anonymous says:

      I guess your implication is that anyone with confederate battle flags are racists, and also that anyone with trump stickers are racists. But you are good, because you talk about other people and imply they are racist with zero evidence because you dislike Donald trump. How is your behavior any better than anyone you dislike? You are attempting to make others dislike people you dislike, when you only dislike them because they have stickers of someone else you dislike. I guess you also think they are hateful? did they try to get people to dislike you and imply you are an inherently bad person because of some superficial reason?

      p.s: people from the south tend to like the confederate flag. to them it means something about their history. you, on the other hand, seem to think it was created to promote and identify slave-owners.

      here’s a history lesson: democrats formed the ku klux klan,(nathan bedford forrest, look it up. also look up historic democrat political signage) so if the confederate flag has racist meaning then so does being a democrat. a democrat killed Abraham Lincoln and a democrat killed martin luther king jr. democrats have a long, murderous history of racism and oppression.

      you should go look in the mirror if you are so into symbolic meaning.

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      • John Dungan says:

        There was absolutely nothing implied in Tom Busch’s comment. You certainly inferred one whole hell of a lot, though! Why in the world are you so sensitive? Who cares what that Confederate Battle Flag means to people in the south? It means they lost to the rest of the world! And, in case you slept through it, the whole Democrat/KKK thing did a 180 when LBJ, a Democrat, pushed for the Civil Rights Act, way back in 1964, so that dawg don’t hunt no more.

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      • Tom Busch says:

        Anonymous. Tattered Stars and Stripes. Our flag was intentionally desecrated to make a political statement while a pristine confederate flag flew along side it. I’m not sure how racism entered into your argument. By the way, my name is Tom Busch. What’s yours?

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  2. Anonymous says:

    We’ve spent two years investigating foreign influence in our elections limiting it to Trump and Russians. The head of Guatemala’s intelligence organization says that months of organization is going into the caravans. Who is organizing these efforts? Are there financial ties to politicians who advocate an open borders policy or seem to work tirelessly to block every effort the Administration makes to eliminate the loophole magnets that incentivize financial immigrants to drag a kid on a dangerous journey to game our system with an asylum claim? CBP has been reporting 50-60k illegal aliens coming in per month since November. Those are big numbers. There is a 900,000 backlog in asylum cases, which means legitimate asylum cases aren’t being heard. Why aren’t we investigating the agenda behind this calculated overload of the immigration system? If we focused on broadening the number and range of work visas, enforced our laws and eliminated the loopholes motivating folks to game the system to get in faster, we could cut costs significantly and open the door legally to financial immigrants with the skills employers can’t find here. We’d also reduce exploitation of illegal aliens hiding in the shadows. Why aren’t we working on this? Trump has signaled a willingness to deal. Republican members of Congress have said this the opportunity to get better immigration reform than has been possible for more than a decade. Yet, Dems seem unwilling to discuss it. Why? What ultimately is gained by inaction?

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    • Flip Side says:

      Did you ever consider that the caravans might have been organized by Trumpsters wanting to create fear ahead of the mid-term elections and to rally support for the wall? Trump spent millions to send military to the border ahead of the election and then immediately pulled them out right after the election.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Actually Dem politicians are pulling the National Guard troops out after the elections, even though the Trump administration is in favor of them staying there. Trump began pulling some troops out after additional they fortified barriers and an agreement was reached with Mexico to house caravans waiting for asylum hearings. If the caravans were actually a Trump creation he wouldn’t be working with Mexico and other Latin American countries to break them up further south. He is unfiltered and coarse, but he really appears to want to solve issues that Congress likes to kick the can down the road on.

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  3. Anonymous says:

    Partisanship SHOULD be a topic for discussion. I didn’t go to the Trump rally due to fear of blowback. My family members texted back and forth about the “klan rally” and how they wanted to meet at the chico’s tacos with bats to challenge the people who did go.

    This is no different from the brownshirts in pre-wwii germany. When one party feels empowered to call people they disagree hateful names and to plan violence against them, there is a problem.

    But the bigger problem is the public silence about these people. This same allowance of horrible behavior is what happened in wwii germany.

    this is not going to end well.

    I, for one, am getting a gun permit next week. I refuse to any longer give sway to hatred and threats of violence. I have a right to defend myself and I have a right to my beliefs.

    People don’t get to tell me what I “really” believe just because they lost an election. ignoring this very-public behavior is just making things worse. inventing reasons to attack people you disagree with is un-American and a recipe for disaster.

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    • JerryK says:

      You think it’s bad now wait until the next Dem POTUS legalizes the 22MM aliens here now with a pen stroke, like Reagan did. You’ll be running for your life.

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      • Stop the Hysterics says:

        Really, Jerry? Really? Calm down. Why are you so worried about a Dem when George W had eight years to fix immigration?

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        • Anonymous says:

          And see, this the point. Our broken immigration system is a problem. Yet instead of banding together to say to both parties “stop dinking around and create a immigration system that makes sense for our country,” we point fingers at each other for the inaction of both parties. Right now the only thing politicians fear is donor backlash because it is so easy to focus voters on wedge issue arguments instead of results. And this back and forth shows how easy it is to deflect the conversation from legitimate concerns to a “your politician didn’t do anything either” conversation. That’s how cans get kicked down the road. The message we should send to both political parties is: stop the lip service. Fix problems.

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  4. Anonymous says:

    I’m pro-choice for the same reason John Dungan is pro-choice. I’m old enough to remember when abortions weren’t legal and what women would do to abort babies anyway. And unlike the first two commenters I’m a woman. I personally would not have an abortion, but I don’t think women should be forced to carry a child they don’t want. That said, while accidental pregnancies happen, I question a woman who waits past a couple of months to decide what to do about it. I think we have obligations to be responsible for our choices. Technology exists to avoid pregnancy all together. Options for have a safe abortion early on exist, as well. Testing to determine likely birth defects fairly early in the pregnancy is also available. So, I think legislation that allows late term abortions of living babies or allows doctors to make a baby comfortable while parents decide whether it lives or dies crosses a line that borders on inhumane. Yes, I think parents should be able to have a choice if a baby’s health is so fragile that even with extraordinary and costly medical measures it would only live a few months. But should parents get to choose death because a child may have a disability or deformity they don’t want? That seems to be path we are heading down and I don’t think it is a good path.

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    • JerryK says:

      The Constutution defines a US citizen with full protection of the law as a person born here. Until then they are not a legal person. But someone should tell that to the governor of Virginia.

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  5. John Dungan says:

    I tend to agree with your anonymous comment. I, too, am pro-choice, in that I don’t believe it is any of my business what anyone chooses to do with their body. That said, I think it is important to point out that too many folks who oppose abortion really fail to understand what it is. They only think about killing babies, and there is a lot more to it than that. When the reality is that we have fewer abortions today than prior to it being legal, simply because it *is* now legal should be all we need to know. Even “pro-lifers” should be able to see that that is a good thing, no?

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    • Anonymous says:

      Jerry, we have fewer abortions than prior to abortions being legal because we have more effective means of birth control. Birth control pills got FDA approval right about the same time abortions became legal. And, we also have better sex education today then we had back then.

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      • John Dungan says:

        First of all, my name is not Jerry. Secondly, yes we do have more effective methods of birth control, but it all goes together. Without access to the information and the methods, it does no good.

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    • chico says:

      I agree that one should have choice. The choice to live or die.

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  6. ANONYMOUS ! ! ! says:

    As the leader of the ‘Anonymous clan’, l’m going to use my powers to pick a non controversial topic. A topic that is jovial, good-natured, pleasant, and a good subject to bring up at your typical cocktail party. ABORTION: Is abortion murder? One could make the medical/scientific case that after 4-6 weeks that the embryo is developed enough to be considered human Abortion is a disgusting, barbaric, macabre procedure, and this is from someone who is pro choice – albeit reluctantly. l believe that if the woman doesn’t want to give birth, well, l’m not going to take care of it, so ok. Some of you pro lifers might be saying right now that, that doesn’t seem all that logical. And you know what? Maybe you’re right. Maybe it’s really twisted that l believe a woman should have the right to abort all the up to 8 months. As far as this “partial birth abortion” where they prevent the baby from passing through the birth canal just so they can chop up its head and scrape out the remains, the answer is that’s too extreme even for me. BTW- given the fact that some women have miscarriages through no fault of their own, does that make God a mass murderer? And on that happy note, l’m going back to bed. Good night, y’all.

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