EPISD bonds–K-8 instead of separate middle schools

This was part of a note from Dan Wever about the school closings:

Somebody just wants to go back to the K-8 format and is willing to pay over 200 million dollars of EPISD taxpayer money to get their wish.

You can look at the Maintenance costs and they show it is not costing what they say it is costing.

Attached was a spreadsheet that broke out various costs of operating many of the schools.

We deserve better


12 Responses to EPISD bonds–K-8 instead of separate middle schools

  1. History Repeats says:

    I am angry about this whole PreK-8 thing!!! I live on Gold Street near Five Points. So I spoke with someone who had been an Assistant Principal at Carlos Cordova Middle School which is now Armendariz Middle School. Looks like the Executive Director from Region 19 was once the Principal of Carlos Cordova Middle School. So this retired person was really angry about the whole PreK-8 thing. He is super pissed because he says that Crockett, Coldwell and Houston Schools were once PreK-8 schools. El Paso Technical School was located where Carlos Cordova Middle School now is. And HERE’S THE PART THAT PISSES THIS PERSON OFF. Back in 1996-1998, the EPISD, which was led then someone named Paz and then by someone named Anseldua SPENT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO RENOVATE AND OOEN CARLOS CORDOVA MIDDLE SCHOOL. The reason they used was EDUCATION RESEARCH THAT SAID THAT IT WAS BETTER TO MOVE ALL THE 6-8 GRADERS TO CARLOS CORDOVA MIDDLE SCHOOL and to make Crockett, Coldwell and Houston PREK-5 ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS!!!!! SO THEY MOVED ALL THE 6-8 GRADERS FROM THOSE SCHOOLS TO CARLOS CORDOVA USING SCHOOL BUSES THAT WERENT NECESSARY BEFORE WHICH INCREASED TRANSPORTATION NEEDS! Moving those students to CORDOVA made Crockett, Coldwell and Houston so small that they had to CLOSE HOUSTON SCHOOL which caused all of the little PreK-5 students from that school to be bused every day to Alta Vista (which is now going to close), Coldwell and Crockett which increased TRANSPORTATION COSTS and made it where 4 year olds are now picked up way early to have to go to Elm Stree to take buses to school far away when they have a good one in their own neighborhood. This caused major protests from the parents and the neighborhood association and Susie Byrd who lives in that neighborhood! The neighborhood association then got a LETTER OR GUARANTEE from Superintendent Garcia that Houston was going to sold. Then HE RENEGED ON HIS LETTER and tried to bring RAYMOND TELLES ACADEMY students to Houston because he wanted to SELL THE TELLES BUILDING DOWNTOWN TO DEVELOPERS! Our Neighborhood Association with Susie and our neighbor a KFOX reporter who I think is O’Hara fought against this but we couldn’t stop it. So EPISD already tried this and now they want to do this again!!! Just goes to show you that you can find RESEARCH COMPANIES to come to any conclusion you want so that you can have experts back your CONSTRUCTION PLANS. I already voted against because I don’t trust them at all anymore!


    • Anonymous says:

      This is from my face book page. Susie Byrd says that at the present time there is no request to TEA to bypass the 22-1 pupil to teacher ratio but I can guarantee that it will be coming soon. There are millions of dollars to be saved when this happens and the district will go back to loading up K-4 grades with more than 22 students.

      Why does the EPISD want to go to the K-8 grade format for elementary schools?
      I will tell you!
      When asked this question one must first understand why they changed from their K-6 elementary, 7th, 8th, and 9th Junior High Schools and 10th, 11th, and 12th grade High Schools programs.
      Well the big ol bad State came along and said that the classrooms in K-4th grade would be limited to 22 students to 1 teacher. It had been proven that smaller class sizes in the early grades improved everything that was measurable in education all over the United States.
      The EPISD at this time had a K-6 grade elementary and a Junior High setup of 7th 8th and 9th grades and then High School 10th, 11th and 12th. Well, the State edict of 22-1 student to teacher ratio, meant that there were not enough classrooms in the elementary schools. So what happened over a couple of years was the 6th grades were moved out of the elementary schools and joined with the Junior High 7th and 8th grades and the 9th grade went back to the High Schools. This is how the EPISD ended up with the setup we have today.
      So what is the answer to the original question? Well have you heard of the District of Innovation mantel that the EPISD has elected to wear? Yep, you guessed it the district is no longer bound by the State 22-1 rule. Of course they say they will try to keep it the same ratio but looking at other school district’s explanation of why the killing of the 22-1 rule will not be so bad.
      “Proposed: While we believe that in certain circumstances small class size plays a positive role in the classroom, in many cases master teachers, who are highly trained in student engagement strategies, are equally effective with larger class size environments. Often it is not the number of students but the classroom environment that influences student learning outcomes. We will attempt to keep all the core K-4 classrooms to a 22:1 ratio. However, in the event the class size exceeds this ratio, the superintendent will report to the Board of Trustees. b. A TEA waiver will not be necessary when a K-4 classroom exceeds the 22:1 ratio. c. This will give our district the flexibility without having the bureaucracy of waivers within TEA.” Here is another
      “Why is the district seeking local control over the class size ratio? Local control over the class size ratio will enable the district to minimize disruption at the beginning of the year due to class size. Furthermore, the district will also eliminate time utilized to complete and submit annual waivers on class size ratios, thus increasing the time spent on campus related operations.”
      These two examples show what is planned for their districts and the same will be in line for ours because that is the way money can be saved by crowding more little kids into smaller classrooms with a total disregard for the real educational studies that tell them this is bad or not as good as the smaller class size. But then again this bond issue is not about the students or they would not be wanting to turn over 4000 children away from their neighborhood schools to accomplish their K-8 goal at a cost of over $185,000,000.
      But let’s be honest, the EPISD Bond Proposal has never been for the kids but rather something to keep adults occupied for 5 or 10 years.


  2. Benevelous says:


    This is NOT, nor has it ever been, about what is best for the students, their families, or the employees of EPISD. None of those people actually matter to those wishing to impose these massive changes upon them.

    It is about the flow of money. It is about furthering the careers of those already pulling in six figures out of your tax paying pockets.

    You are correct, History Repeats… Do NOT trust these people. You voted against this bond. Excellent. Do all you can to encourage others to do the same.

    “For evil to prevail, all that is required is that good men do nothing…”


  3. Deputy Dawg says:

    Where is your outrage at the multiple K-8 campuses that are in Socorro ISD which seem to be doing fine…Also, have any of you thought about MacArthur Intermediate in EPISD which has always been K-8 and the parents in that neighborhood revolt anytime the idea of splitting that school into an Elementary and a Middle comes up? Selective indignation.


    • Whooshing sound says:

      That whooshing sound was the point that you missed. It just flew about 1000 feet over your head.


    • anonymous says:

      LIttle Dawgie … we are not voting on paying for those schools right now. That’s why our indignation is selective. We are selectively focused on the issue at hand.

      …. and yes, it’s the fault of the Republicans in Austin. We know that they caused all of our problems.


      • Watching from the Sidelines says:

        Fun to watch everyone here say things like they want modern learning enviromments or tools or classes for their kids or grandkids, but they dont want to pay for them.


        • Anonymous says:

          Actually, we want to ensure that the money we pay does benefit the kids … not greed and corruption. If the bond amount were lower and the proposed projects better vetted, we’d have more likelihood of achieving real benefit and to maximize learning.


    • Dan Wever says:

      Deputy Dawg, Not Selective indignation but rather selective indigestion.


  4. JerryK says:

    I’m glad I don’t have to run a school district because this way over my pay grade. Which makes it all the more important to have trust in the people running EPISD, starting with the board.

    And that is the fail.


  5. A NO Voter says:

    OK, everyone agrees. It’s not for the kids. Then why? The School Board members and top administrators, like all bureaucrats (elected or not) are more powerful when they have more money. They will be sought out at parties, they will be acknowledged at events, they will be treated as the King holding the big purse. The “researchers” told them what they wanted to hear. Spend money and make it big so it will go down in history as the biggest bond ever. They can add it to their resumes. Vote no.


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